tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post4583186205121156292..comments2023-11-22T15:04:13.888+01:00Comments on Just Another American in Paris: Crackdown Raises QuestionsAnnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09601542052605334407noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-19648419849813334952010-08-27T11:08:44.273+02:002010-08-27T11:08:44.273+02:00My roommate was trying to explain this situation t...My roommate was trying to explain this situation to me the other day (I just got to Paris last Sunday) so I'm glad I got a more in depth account from you. <br />It's upsetting that something done by "the few" is being interpreted as "the many," but your comparison to the actions of the Nazis puts a whole new perspective on it. It's obviously not exactly the same, but I hope the French will listen to those signs on the elementary schools and not be complacent about what's happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-40994841796415942422010-08-25T19:20:40.151+02:002010-08-25T19:20:40.151+02:00Thanks everyone for the comments; I don't agre...Thanks everyone for the comments; I don't agreed with everything that's been sad but no one was virtually screaming. That counts for a lot.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09601542052605334407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-48828381819951747072010-08-25T12:25:46.173+02:002010-08-25T12:25:46.173+02:00I currently live in Budapest and there is a small ...I currently live in Budapest and there is a small Roma population in Hungary (about 2% I believe). I know that there are international groups working to improve conditions for the Roma people - including encouraging education for the children. Here in Budapest our international school hosted a concert by a world-renowned Roma music group. This group (Kalyi Jag) has been going for over 30 years and sponsors 3 schools in Hungary. Some of us were invited to the graduation ceremony for the school in Budapest - it was really interesting. I believe that the students go there for the last years of high school and the emphasis is on Roma culture and language, especially the music and dancing. I believe that the Roma in Hungary are not nomadic so have been here for many generations. I was very impressed with this group's efforts to help their young people get an education. Hopefully this will go some way towards ameliorating some of the problems.Patriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05504513116873595049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-71619422961937633842010-08-25T02:07:38.389+02:002010-08-25T02:07:38.389+02:00The current developments are disturbing, if you as...The current developments are disturbing, if you ask me. Romania clearly isn't interested in truly helping these/their people, and neither is France, nor any other EU country/nation in which there are large (or small) numbers of Roma.<br /><br />I don't pretend to know what the solution is, but I do know that repatriating any number of Roma to Romania or Bulgaria (or elsewhere) is not the solution and will not solve the root of the problem.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582554851711221954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-43424446819491738762010-08-24T03:19:57.867+02:002010-08-24T03:19:57.867+02:00Paris Paul:
While we obviously have a lot to sort...Paris Paul:<br /><br />While we obviously have a lot to sort out on the immigration front in the US, I think the issue for France and other European countries is different when it involves movement of citizens of EU countries, don't you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-43246638228586429862010-08-23T23:44:53.880+02:002010-08-23T23:44:53.880+02:00Anne, sorry to post again, but I read a blog story...Anne, sorry to post again, but I read a blog story before Christmas last year about sans-papiers from Afghanistan that might be of interest -- There are no simple answers and it seems that all of the world is struggling with similar issues.<br /><br />http://emiliejohnson.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-you-are-looking-down-why-dont-you.htmlGenie -- Paris and Beyondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12758801373365481655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-15406100431158623222010-08-23T23:17:09.432+02:002010-08-23T23:17:09.432+02:00A friend of mine asked what would happen in the St...A friend of mine asked what would happen in the States if Obama suddenly said one of his priorities was to send the illegals back to their countries of origin...Paris Paulhttp://www.parisinspired.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-34438120115401033562010-08-23T16:55:54.742+02:002010-08-23T16:55:54.742+02:00They will return to france as soon as they finish ...They will return to france as soon as they finish the money :) I must say we are very worried here in Romania because since they left the country for better places, we have been living a mucch better life....Unlike in other countries , the communist policy was to "integrate " the gypsies in normal working or even middle class areas where they had been given free housing. Imagine the street where you live and now imagine that right in the middle of thet street, maybe in the biggest house the mayor decides to move a gypsy family( a mother+a fother, 11 kids,one horse and a dog). Its like living in hell- loud music, lice, dejections, noises, smells everithing one would put in a list with a "horrible" label. Ofcourse, they don't want to dress normally, go to school, wash themselves and stop bullying people around, they say this is our tring to keep them apart of their traditions. For the last 7 years, since most of the gypsies living in my area left for Italy and France , the neighborhood has become well-mannered ,clean and no cars broken. Before, when friends were passing by , in 5 mintes their cars were "opened". So, to summarise, they will return to France because they say there everybody gives them everything and because I guess there is no law to keep them away as long as they don't commit any particular crime. In Romania everybody is angry with the media and people are bothered, because we don't consider them Romanians, they are gypsies and should be referred to as being gypsies, no "Roma' ,no nothing. It was a historical accident they were born here and that is their only connection to the real Romanian people / country. They've never bothered to integrate here or elsewhere ,they are nomads and they are very proud to be not-integrated so, I see no hope about this situations. I just hope and pray they will not come back.Kristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059516501008876718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-39822382613344772262010-08-23T16:16:51.175+02:002010-08-23T16:16:51.175+02:00Hard to know what to say...it bothers me too to se...Hard to know what to say...it bothers me too to see little kids begging...<br /><br />on a lighter note...nice to see you're back Starman!debbie in torontohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606750113188414437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-16737322574391116242010-08-23T14:30:10.086+02:002010-08-23T14:30:10.086+02:00My reading of all of this in the news has been str...My reading of all of this in the news has been strongly colored by an exchange I had on a flight home from working on a project in Romania in the mid 90s:<br /><br />{after a banal conversation about who-knows-what:}<br /><br />ME: No, I wasn't visiting Amsterdam, I'm on my way home from Romania.<br /><br />[French] seat-mate: Oh, my sister married a Romanian several years ago.<br /><br />ME, intrigued because before the revolution there's a story whenever a Romanian wasn't in Romania: Oh, how long had he been in France?<br /><br />Seat-mate: Oh, he was born in France! I think it was his great-grandfather, no it must have been his great-great-grandfather, who moved to France as a young man.<br /><br />ME: {speechless...wondering how long it takes to become "French", especially if you start from someplace like Romania. When we lived in London, I noticed that people were described as Anglo-Italian, etc. compared to our Italian-American and it occurred to me that Europeans seem to hold on to a notion of country of origin in a way that is quite different from Americans}Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-83692864265506465472010-08-23T12:04:17.135+02:002010-08-23T12:04:17.135+02:00Anne, thank you for your on-site account of what w...Anne, thank you for your on-site account of what we only receive in "official statements" through one reporting source. It will be a challenge for Paris and will have a ripple effect regardless of the actions taken. Merci, for the insight.Genie -- Paris and Beyondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12758801373365481655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8011647259561000207.post-85122865954743179162010-08-23T10:52:49.013+02:002010-08-23T10:52:49.013+02:00I don#t mind the begging, so much as the persistan...I don#t mind the begging, so much as the persistance after you tell them 'no'.Starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12386841450183061541noreply@blogger.com